De kop-in-het-zand brigade zal zelfs hierdoor niet overtuigd worden, dat is wel weer duidelijk.
#2
mrt
Erg goed genuanceerd stuk van Wire over dat nature artikel.
“It’s by no means a settled scientific proposition, but many researchers say it’s worth considering — and not just as an apocalyptic warning or far-fetched speculation, but as a legitimate question raised by emerging science.”
Als je het stellen van een wetenschappelijke vraag, of het opwerpen van een hypothese, domweg bestempelt als ‘hoax’ dan heb je echt alleen maar poep in je hoofd.
Bij boringen in het ijs aan de zuidpool is bij analyse van ijslagen gebleken dat in een lang verleden zeer abrupte klimaatveranderingen hebben plaatsgevonden. En met abrupt bedoel ik periodes van omstreeks de 10 jaar (of zelfs minder).
Ik schrijf dit al jaren, bij wijze van terloopse opmerking, maar om onduidelijke redenen krijgt dat nooit weerklank:
wat als de vervuiling het grote plankton-sterven zou triggeren?
#5
Bookie
Als kinderloze roker doe ik er alles aan om het probleem te verhelpen :).
#6
Peter
Zowel Copernicus als Darwin en later Freud hebben de mens van zijn uitzonderingspositie onttroont maar het wil nog niet echt tot ons doordringen. We hebben er onze eigen bekrompen materialistische waarheid naast gezet en die andere waarheid minder belangrijk gemaakt. De meesten geloven nog steeds dat de mens natuurlijkerwijs het centrum van de wereld is en dat dat alles en iedereen zich daaraan moet onderwerpen.
Zoals George Carlin al zei: de aarde is er prima aan toe, wij daarentegen zijn verneukt.
“Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are fucked. Difference. Difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We’ve been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we’ve only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we’re a threat? That somehow we’re gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that’s just a-floatin’ around the sun?
The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles…hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages…And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet…the planet…the planet isn’t going anywhere. WE ARE!
We’re going away. Pack your shit, folks. We’re going away. And we won’t leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet’ll be here and we’ll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet’ll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance. (…)
The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we’re gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, ’cause that’s what it does. It’s a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it’s true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn’t share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth.
The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn’t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, “Why are we here?” Plastic…asshole.
Toch een beetje een dooddoener, niemand zegt dat de planeet an sich iets gaat overkomen. Het gaat om het leven op die planeet. Het lijkt me ook onmogelijk dat dat verdwijnt, gezien waar het allemaal al gevonden is, maar als wij uitsterven door extreme veranderingen nemen we heel veel andere soorten mee in onze val.
#7
Peter
“The ship was sinking—and sinking fast. The captain told the passengers and crew, “We’ve got to get the lifeboats in the water right away.”
But the crew said, “First we have to end capitalist oppression of the working class. Then we’ll take care of the lifeboats.”
Then the women said, “First we want equal pay for equal work. The lifeboats can wait.”
The racial minorities said, “First we need to end racial discrimination. Then seating in the lifeboats will be allotted fairly.”
The captain said, “These are all important issues, but they won’t matter a damn if we don’t survive. We’ve got to lower the lifeboats right away!”
But the religionists said, “First we need to bring prayer back into the classroom. This is more important than lifeboats.”
Then the pro-life contingent said, “First we must outlaw abortion. Fetuses have just as much right to be in those lifeboats as anyone else.”
The right-to-choose contingent said, “First acknowledge our right to abortion, then we’ll help with the lifeboats.”
The socialists said, “First we must redistribute the wealth. Once that’s done everyone will work equally hard at lowering the lifeboats.”
The animal-rights activists said, “First we must end the use of animals in medical experiments. We can’t let this be subordinated to lowering the lifeboats.”
Finally the ship sank, and because none of the lifeboats had been lowered, everyone drowned.
The last thought of more than one of them was, “I never dreamed that solving humanity’s problems would take so long—or that the ship would sink so SUDDENLY.”
― Daniel Quinn
#8
Hans Verbeek
Over 100 jaar zijn we allemaal dood.
En de aarde zal hier nog altijd zijn. Compleet met wervelstormen, blizzards, aardbevingen, hittegolven en tsunami’s. Luister nog even naar George Carlin voordat je naast je schoenen gaat lopen.
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Laat me raden, de klimaat-hoax is uitgemelkt, nu ff een nieuwe hoax verzinnen zodat ze weer verder kunnen met subsidie slurpen.
De kop-in-het-zand brigade zal zelfs hierdoor niet overtuigd worden, dat is wel weer duidelijk.
Erg goed genuanceerd stuk van Wire over dat nature artikel.
“It’s by no means a settled scientific proposition, but many researchers say it’s worth considering — and not just as an apocalyptic warning or far-fetched speculation, but as a legitimate question raised by emerging science.”
Als je het stellen van een wetenschappelijke vraag, of het opwerpen van een hypothese, domweg bestempelt als ‘hoax’ dan heb je echt alleen maar poep in je hoofd.
It’s the end of the world as we know it – and I feel fine.
Bij boringen in het ijs aan de zuidpool is bij analyse van ijslagen gebleken dat in een lang verleden zeer abrupte klimaatveranderingen hebben plaatsgevonden. En met abrupt bedoel ik periodes van omstreeks de 10 jaar (of zelfs minder).
Ik schrijf dit al jaren, bij wijze van terloopse opmerking, maar om onduidelijke redenen krijgt dat nooit weerklank:
wat als de vervuiling het grote plankton-sterven zou triggeren?
Als kinderloze roker doe ik er alles aan om het probleem te verhelpen :).
Zowel Copernicus als Darwin en later Freud hebben de mens van zijn uitzonderingspositie onttroont maar het wil nog niet echt tot ons doordringen. We hebben er onze eigen bekrompen materialistische waarheid naast gezet en die andere waarheid minder belangrijk gemaakt. De meesten geloven nog steeds dat de mens natuurlijkerwijs het centrum van de wereld is en dat dat alles en iedereen zich daaraan moet onderwerpen.
Zoals George Carlin al zei: de aarde is er prima aan toe, wij daarentegen zijn verneukt.
“Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are fucked. Difference. Difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We’ve been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we’ve only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we’re a threat? That somehow we’re gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that’s just a-floatin’ around the sun?
The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles…hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages…And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet…the planet…the planet isn’t going anywhere. WE ARE!
We’re going away. Pack your shit, folks. We’re going away. And we won’t leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet’ll be here and we’ll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet’ll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance. (…)
The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we’re gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, ’cause that’s what it does. It’s a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it’s true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn’t share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth.
The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn’t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, “Why are we here?” Plastic…asshole.
Schitterend!
Toch hoor ik het Carlin liever zeggen,
dan dat ik die lullige schuingedrukte lettertjes moet lezen.
Ik heb een leesbril nodig, vandaar….
Toch een beetje een dooddoener, niemand zegt dat de planeet an sich iets gaat overkomen. Het gaat om het leven op die planeet. Het lijkt me ook onmogelijk dat dat verdwijnt, gezien waar het allemaal al gevonden is, maar als wij uitsterven door extreme veranderingen nemen we heel veel andere soorten mee in onze val.
“The ship was sinking—and sinking fast. The captain told the passengers and crew, “We’ve got to get the lifeboats in the water right away.”
But the crew said, “First we have to end capitalist oppression of the working class. Then we’ll take care of the lifeboats.”
Then the women said, “First we want equal pay for equal work. The lifeboats can wait.”
The racial minorities said, “First we need to end racial discrimination. Then seating in the lifeboats will be allotted fairly.”
The captain said, “These are all important issues, but they won’t matter a damn if we don’t survive. We’ve got to lower the lifeboats right away!”
But the religionists said, “First we need to bring prayer back into the classroom. This is more important than lifeboats.”
Then the pro-life contingent said, “First we must outlaw abortion. Fetuses have just as much right to be in those lifeboats as anyone else.”
The right-to-choose contingent said, “First acknowledge our right to abortion, then we’ll help with the lifeboats.”
The socialists said, “First we must redistribute the wealth. Once that’s done everyone will work equally hard at lowering the lifeboats.”
The animal-rights activists said, “First we must end the use of animals in medical experiments. We can’t let this be subordinated to lowering the lifeboats.”
Finally the ship sank, and because none of the lifeboats had been lowered, everyone drowned.
The last thought of more than one of them was, “I never dreamed that solving humanity’s problems would take so long—or that the ship would sink so SUDDENLY.”
― Daniel Quinn
Over 100 jaar zijn we allemaal dood.
En de aarde zal hier nog altijd zijn. Compleet met wervelstormen, blizzards, aardbevingen, hittegolven en tsunami’s.
Luister nog even naar George Carlin voordat je naast je schoenen gaat lopen.